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Arafat's successor: Palestinian state will replace Israel

 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Arafat's successor: Palestinian state will replace Israel     Bookmark and Share Reply with quote

Arafat's successor: Palestinian state will replace Israel

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SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
Thursday, December 22, 2004
The new leader of the ruling Fatah movement said the Palestinians want to replace Israel with a state of their own.

Fatah chief Farouk Khaddoumi said the Palestinian strategy toward Israel was two-fold. In the first stage, he said, the Palestinians would accept a Palestinian state alongside Israel. In the second stage, the Palestinians would seek to eliminate the Jewish state.

In November, Khaddoumi replaced the late Yasser Arafat as leader of Fatah, Middle East Newsline reported.

"At this stage there will be two states," Khaddoumi told Iran's Al Aram television last week. "Many years from now, there will be only one."

Khaddoumi, who regards himself as Palestinian foreign minister, said he was confident that Israel would be eliminated. He said he always opposed Israel's existence and cited the Arab numerical superiority over the Jewish state.
"[There are] 300 million Arabs, while Israel has only the sea behind it," Khaddoumi said.

Khaddoumi said his platform was endorsed by the PLO in 1974. He said the strategy called for a phased plan that would establish authority over any territory obtained from Israel, concluding with an Arab war to destroy the Jewish state.

[On Thursday, the Palestinian Authority launched the first municipal elections in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in more than 25 years. The PA has been promising such elections since 1996.]

The Fatah chief played down the powers of PA ministers. Khaddoumi said the Fatah Central Committee marked the source of authority for the PA and Cabinet.

"The Palestinian Authority is a partial authority," Khaddoumi said. "It is a local government, just like any local government in any country. We shouldn't delude ourselves that these 'ministers' are actually ministers." [On Thursday, Palestinian gunners fired 30 mortar rounds into the Gush Katif community in the central Gaza Strip. The attack was launched from the Khan Yunis refugee camp hours after Israeli forces left the area.]
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:54 am    Post subject:     Bookmark and Share Reply with quote

I missed this post.. and now I see that it's here for ME Smile

This is what I think:

* Farouk Khaddoumi is NOT Arafat's successor... he only took one position Arafat previously had. Arafat's most important position - the Palestinian chairman (Rais, President as the Palestinian call him), is Abu Mazen.

* Abu Mazen clearly said in his voice and IN ARABIC that he supports a two states solution - a Jewish Israel next to a Palestinian state.

* as I wrote here many times before, I don't think that Israel should leave the West Bank and Gaza for the Palestinians... I think it is mainly an Israeli interest... Sharon understands it... Israel can't control millions of Palestinians for ever... Transfer will never become a reality - it's impossible to transfer millions of people (logistically. especially if they don't want to move AND no country will accept them... this is the real world.)

* Again, I believe a two states solution is the ONLY fair and also possible solution... On both sides there are people who want everything for themselves...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject:     Bookmark and Share Reply with quote

Dr. kleber wrote:
I missed this post.. and now I see that it's here for ME Smile

This is what I think:


* Again, I believe a two states solution is the ONLY fair and also possible solution... On both sides there are people who want everything for themselves...


Yes two states solution already exist...

JORDAN IS PALESTINE: PLO STAKES CLAIM TO TRANSJORDAN

~by Dr. G. M. Ettinger

On 10th March, at the London Jewish Book Week, Dr Ahmad Khalidi,
Oxford academic and adviser to the PLO, took part in a debate with
Gilead Sher, Israeli negotiator at the Camp David and Taba talks.
The Jewish Chronicle (March 15, page 16) reported part of Dr
Khalidi's speech:

"Thirty-three years after UN resolution 242, nine years after the
Madrid peace talks and seven years after the beginning of the Oslo
process, the Palestinian felt that they had completely failed to
achieve anything."

"All they had was separate parcels of land, lacerated by security
zones and settlements, allowing them to control a mere 18 per cent
of the land, which itself was only five per cent of Mandatory
Palestine."

These two paragraphs are significant: Khalidi claimed that the
Palestinians were offered a mere 18% of Israel territory, which is
only 5% of Mandatory Palestine.

So it is out at last: The PLO intend, after eliminating Israel
even from its minute post-1948 land, to stake a claim to the whole
of Jewish National Home in Palestine, as defined in 1920 by the
League of Nations. The certainty exists that they will use the
terrorist experience, which they are employing to eliminate the
State of Israel, to expand eastwards.

But there is another way of looking at Khalidi's announcement: The
Palestinian Arabs now support the "JORDAN IS PALESTINE" program.
To implement this, they would transfer their Palestinian Arab
brethren from the Oslo-defined Zone A of Israel into present-day
Jordan, and so solve the Middle East problem.

How many of the world's politicians have even the slightest
knowledge of how Palestine of the Mandate was reduced to one-
quarter, in order to hand the lands east of the Jordan over to
Amir Abdullah in March 1921? They should read Sidney Sugarman's
(1) "The Unrelenting Conflict". As Colonel Meinertzhagen (2), in 1922
Winston Churchill's Middle East Adviser at the Foreign Office,
succinctly put it: "Abdullah was placed there by Lawrence and given
a kingdom at the expense of Palestine. Transjordan is part of
Biblical Palestine, promised to the Jews." Meinertzhagen continues:
"I urged that Abdullah's tenure should cease, that eventually the
Jews would obtain sovereignty in Palestine, and I did not wish
them to be surrounded by hostile Arabs. There are thousands of
acres in Transjordan lying fallow..." Churchill terminated the
meeting in London, saying he could do nothing about Transjordan,
and that Abdullah had come to stay. Sadly, Meinertzhagen's
predictions at that meeting have come to pass.

There is every justification now for supporting JORDAN IS
PALESTINE. Some of the present Jordanians of Bedouin origin will
want to flee across the Jordan River to Israel, when the great
Arab population movement to the East takes place. We would help
them (even as we welcomed the Palestinians who fled to Israel
after they failed to destroy Jordan in 1970!). Then we shall be
left with Eretz Israel west of the Jordan, instead of the miniscule,
impossible, indefensible land west of the present "Green Line".
No more talk of fences, please.

1) Sugarman, Sidney "The Unrelenting Conflict". Book Guild
Ltd., Sussex, England, 2000. ISBN 1 85776 462 5.
Sidney Sugarman passed away in 2002.

2) Meinertzhagen, R., "Middle East Diary". London: Cresset
Press, 1959. Page 117: Colonial Office meeting under
Churchill, 20 June 1922.

Dr. G.M. Ettinger
Poole, England
106161.2430@compuserve.com
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:20 pm    Post subject:     Bookmark and Share Reply with quote

HBendor, I agree with you-the so called "Palestinians"got their state years ago under the name JORDAN,(and a large chunk of land it was too!!!)no doubt about it , and no matter what feeble excuses are used in denying this historical and geographical fact! Rolling Eyes

ANOTHER "Palestinian" state will eventually mean the end of Israel sure and this is the whole and ONLY purpose for one-
Hopefully more eyes will be open to this fact before it is too late Shocked

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sieranne wrote:
HBendor, I agree with you-the so called "Palestinians"got their state years ago under the name JORDAN,(and a large chunk of land it was too!!!)no doubt about it , and no matter what feeble excuses are used in denying this historical and geographical fact! Rolling Eyes

ANOTHER "Palestinian" state will eventually mean the end of Israel sure and this is the whole and ONLY purpose for one-
Hopefully more eyes will be open to this fact before it is too late Shocked

Sieranne


Thank you, I appreciate your sentiments...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject:     Bookmark and Share Reply with quote

OK then... all we have to do is convincing our friends in Jordan...

Come on.... Jordan today is the biggest friend of Israel in the Middle East - for many many years before the peace agreement. Kind Hussein risked his life when he warned Israel before the Yom Kippur war.

Today, with what's going on in Iraq, Jordan is even more important - the east of Israel is secure all the way to Iran (from real armies that is.)

Now, suppose you'll topple King Abdullah and create a Palestinian state in Jordan... What do you think it will get you?

I'll tell you what:

A potentially hostile state in the eastern boarder of Israel (instead of a friendly one) that will STILL claim that the West Bank and Gaza belong to it - since many Palestinians will still live there... (again, it is IMPOSSIBLE to transfer millions of people!)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:08 am    Post subject:     Bookmark and Share Reply with quote

sieranne wrote:
HBendor, I agree with you-the so called "Palestinians"got their state years ago under the name JORDAN,(and a large chunk of land it was too!!!)no doubt about it , and no matter what feeble excuses are used in denying this historical and geographical fact! Rolling Eyes

ANOTHER "Palestinian" state will eventually mean the end of Israel sure and this is the whole and ONLY purpose for one-
Hopefully more eyes will be open to this fact before it is too late Shocked

Sieranne


Yes, Sieranne, I too agree with HBendor.
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