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PostMon Jun 14, 2004 5:22 pm     A Democratic Iraq: Threat to Arab World    


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Terror organizations will continue to disrupt every effort to establish Democracy in Iraq for the very reason that Democracy and Islam Do Not Mix.

The National Constitutions of most every Arab nation have established Islam as the national religion, the Qur'an as the guide for governance - from which Sharia laws are established and meted out, and that only Muslims can serve in the mililtary and political government.

Terror organizations view themselves as "freedom fighters" and "protectors of Islam" in the army of "Allah." They view ANY Muslim who cooperates with an American led coalition to establish Democracy as a "traitor to Islam" and are therefore given authority by Qur'anic decree to kill traitors who have become "friends and allys of the enemy."

The mess that has resulted in Iraq is due to going into war without knowing that Islam and Democracy do not mix and that the Arab world would view Democracy as a threat to their entire ideology; political, social, and religious.

June 30, 2004 will not establish Democracy; it will inflame the Arab world even more whereby terrorism will continue to target all members of a governing council for assassination and threaten Iraqi citizens with death if they cooperate in any democratic voting process.

The only way to change the minds of terrorists is to convince them that what they have been taught to believe in is totally wrong. It won't be easy and may really never happen - for they believe they are in the apocalyptic fight spoken of in the Qur'an and that martyrdom for Islam will guarantee an entrance into paradise.


Update: February 6, 2005

Now that democratic elections have taken place, let's see what happens next:

Leading Shiite Clerics Pushing Islamic Constitution in Iraq
By EDWARD WONG
Published: February 6, 2005

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NAJAF, Iraq, Feb. 4 – “With religious Shiite parties poised to take power in the new constitutional assembly, leading Shiite clerics are pushing for Islam to be recognized as the guiding principle of the new constitution.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02.....mp;ei=5070


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PostTue Jun 15, 2004 4:15 am        


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Iraqi shiites wanted US intervention in Iraq to remove Saddam because they couldn't do it and they knew the United States could, they claimed that they wanted democracy when all along they wanted Islamic law. I'm thinking that al Sadr wants an Iranian style of government, I'm sure he has plans on getting rid of the Grand Ayatollah Sistani, he is the one behind the murder of Khoei.


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PostTue Jun 15, 2004 1:37 pm        


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John wrote:
Iraqi shiites wanted US intervention in Iraq to remove Saddam because they couldn't do it and they knew the United States could, they claimed that they wanted democracy when all along they wanted Islamic law. I'm thinking that al Sadr wants an Iranian style of government, I'm sure he has plans on getting rid of the Grand Ayatollah Sistani, he is the one behind the murder of Khoei.


Excellent point, John. You are correct in your assessment of the situation.

As you know, Saddam's Baathist regime was comprised of Sunni Muslims; a tribal faction greatly opposed with the Shiites ever since the death of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad. While the Sunnis are fewer in number, compared to Shiites, the Sunnis have wielded the controlling power in Iraq. Shiites and Sunnis have argued ever since the death of Muhammad about who has the right of succession to the prophethood.

Also, while all Muslim factions (there are several) believe in establishing Islam as a one world religion; the expulsion of Jews, Christians and Infidels from the Arabian Peninsula; and the outright dismantling of Western culture, the Shiites and Wahhabi tribes have been more committed to reviving the utopian world of Islam with Sharia law as the governing rule.

History proves that militancy and deception have always been the modus-operandi for Islam to seize control. We see it happening right now.
The flames of modern day Islamic extremism began with the movement in Iran by the Ayatollah, Khomeini, (1979) and it has not been able to be stopped since then.

As mentioned, Islam and Democracy Do Not Mix. It is unfortunate that many American and Allied Coalition soldiers and contractors are having to die over what will be an ongoing battle for many years.

Yes, many Muslims will also die in the process - but that is because they sincerely believe that they are doing the will of "God" and that their "martyrdom" will "guarantee paradise" for them and for seventy members of their family - as they are taught in Islamic theology.

The mindset of a terrorist can only be changed when they can be convinced that what they have been taught to believe is totally wrong and that there is another way to know the True God - without violence.


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PostTue Jun 15, 2004 10:01 pm        


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Sadly the Iraqis who are involved in these daily car bombings don't care that they are killing innocent people, they want the entire population to turn on the Americans, and it seems to be working. As more countries pull out its the Iraqi's who will have to pay the biggest price France and Germany don't seem to mind that, but some put the blame squarely on the US and UK. And now there is talk that the United States has created more terrorist with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan Rolling Eyes and President Bush's uncondtional support of Israel. What are we suppose todo? There are daily threats from al Qaeda to the United States and daily threats from Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups to Israel.


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PostTue Jun 15, 2004 10:52 pm        


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It would appear to the world that the United States has caused terrorism to rise because of the war in Iraq. Actually, terrorism has been flushed out from behind the deceitful veil of Islam which has wanted to make the world believe that Islam means "peace."

Al Qaeda, Hamas, the PLO, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, etc., all share one thing in common; exterminate Jews, Christians, Infidels and Western culture which they see as corrupt and in opposition to the legalistic religious teachings from the Qu'ran. These guys really think they are doing the right thing for "God." When a mindset like that is established, there is no way to negotiate or deal with them unless you give in to their demands. Their main goal is to force Islam upon political governments throughout the world or threaten them with the consequences of terrorism.

France is in great danger of that happening today. Now, also, the Saudi Royal family may soon be toppled because they are viewed by Al Qaeda as being a traitor to Islam for their partnership dealings with America and America's allies. According to Islamic theology, Muslims are not to befriend Jews nor Christians nor to partake of a lifestyle contrary to the Islamic laws (Sharia).

So what are we to do?

First, place your trust in the True God of Creation for His Divine protection against the evil which is on the rise. Seek His guidance and counsel and pray for your nation.

Second, know that these days have been prophesied and we will yet see many evil acts of terrorism occur throughout the world with many innocent people being killed at the hands of militant Islamic groups.

Third, believe that in the end, Truth will prevail and there will be an end to all injustice in the world. Those who have believed in the True God of Creation, The Giver Of Life, will be saved and those who have followed the deceptions of Satan - The Destroyer, Thief and Murderer - will be judged by the Righteous God whom they rejected.

Most of all, John, with all that is happening in the world today, we can receive True Peace as we trust in the True God and Saviour of mankind.

"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid." (John 14:27)


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PostWed Jun 16, 2004 8:31 pm        


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the Saudi Royal family may soon be toppled because they are viewed by Al Qaeda as being a traitor to Islam for their partnership dealings with America and America's allies.
I doubt that al-Qaeda or other Islamist could topple the Saudi Royals, not that they wouldn't try I'm sure they will but the United States would help them out in a big way to make sure that it wouldn't happen, they created Wahhabism and now they can't control it.


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PostThu Jun 17, 2004 9:54 pm        


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the Saudi Royal family may soon be toppled because they are viewed by Al Qaeda as being a traitor to Islam for their partnership dealings with America and America's allies.
I doubt that al-Qaeda or other Islamist could topple the Saudi Royals, not that they wouldn't try I'm sure they will but the United States would help them out in a big way to make sure that it wouldn't happen, they created Wahhabism and now they can't control it.


Hmmm... Well, the Saud Royalty is on the defensive now Only because they are being threatened for becoming a "traitor to Islam" for their ongoing dealings with the United States. Al-Qaeda views the partnership between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. as an absolute counter to the command of their propjet, Muhammad, who stated that Muslims were not to befriend Jews, Christians, nor Infidels and that any Muslim who did would become as the enemy of Islam.

Recall that the Shah of Iran was also friendly with the United States and Western countries until the Ayatollah Khomeini overthrew the Shah's regime in order to establish a pure Islamic society.

Yes, Wahhabiism is alive and well with the Saud family through marriage, however, even the Wahhabi side is disagreeing with the Royal family as it needs to clarify its position with other "Fundamental Islamic sects" which believe that the Saud Royal family has to make a choice between their allegiance to Islam or their partnership to the West.

The ever increasing tension warning Americans and other Westerners not to travel to Saudi Arabia indicates that the Royal family is losing control.

As the U.S. completes its pullout of military bases in Saudi Arabia, the Middle East will become a bigger mess if the United States goes back to intervene on behalf of the Saud family.

The last thing we need is to add Saudi Arabia to the already embroiled situations that are currently ablaze in Afghanistan and Iraq - not to mention other eruptions of terroristic threats and attacks throughout the world.

The Only Way to change the mind of Islamic terrorists is to convince them that what they have been taught to believe is totally wrong.

This is a challenge for "Moderate" Islamic PR groups to take care of - if it is true that the terrorists have "hijacked" Islam. At this time, I see none of the American-Muslim organizations going to the Mideast to tell their Muslim "brothers" that the Jews, Christians, Infidels and Western culture are OK.


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PostThu Jun 17, 2004 9:57 pm        


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Ooops!

Please correct the above post where it mentions Muhammad's title as a propjet.... No, he was not a prop jet.
Should have read: "...prophet, Muhammad..."

Sorry about that.


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PostFri Aug 27, 2004 10:03 pm        


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Fox Report 08/27/04 (Excerpt)

Bush also said in the interview that he made a "miscalculation of what the conditions would be" after U.S. troops went to Iraq.

Public opinion initially favored Bush's decision to go to war but, after months of casualties and chaos, the public is evenly divided on the subject now.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130315,00.html
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Hmmm...... Nation-building Lesson 101:

Islam and Democracy Do Not Mix.

End of Lesson.


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Hmmm...... Nation-building Lesson 101:

Islam and Democracy Do Not Mix.

End of Lesson.


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PostSat Dec 02, 2006 9:39 am        


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Hmmm...
It appears that this lesson is becoming a bit clearer as the years go by and many are realizing the truth: Islam and Democracy Do Not Mix.


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PostFri Dec 08, 2006 12:21 am        


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AgapePress
Thursday, December 7, 2006

...An Islamic terrorism expert believes it may be impossible for the U.S. to build a democracy in an Islamic country like Iraq and says America needs to stop trying to squelch the sectarian violence there.

According to Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, a project of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, the U.S. should just let the Sunnis and Shiites work out their own disputes. Defense Secretary-designee Robert Gates commented in his Senate confirmation hearings this week that America is neither winning nor losing the war in Iraq and that strategic changes must be made. But Spencer's contention is that the U.S. needs to bow out of the conflict between Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites. "If they want to fight each other," he says, "this is not our business. It's not our job to make sure that everything is wonderful there." America's job, Spencer asserts, is "to make sure that the jihad is not exported. So there's a certain kind of quarantining there -- not necessarily an economic one, but certainly a military one that makes sure that, if jihad activity is going on in Iraq, it doesn't spread to the neighboring countries -- and certainly not to the United States." According to the Jihad Watch spokesman, President Bush "underestimates the strength of political Islam" and needs to abandon the idea of installing a democracy in Iraq as the U.S. did in Germany and Japan after World War II. [Chad Groening]

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